Lord ahed distinguished Scholars
brothers and
sisters I'm not a member of the
move uh I whil I respect Dr Kadri very
much and Dean KH also I'm not a member
of their mov
but uh I have been involved with
Pakistan and with pakistanis for most of
my life since the uh 1970s in fact and I
represent many people of Pakistani
origin now in Parliament in Bradford
West uh and I have never been more
concerned for the whole future indeed
existence of Pakistan then I am this
very
and that's before I saw your excellent
presentation the news this morning from
the shower could scarcely be more great
and it is the major news item throughout
the entire
world uh more than 100 people have been
slain there are many people now being
held hostage by the terrorists and we
must expect in the way of these things
still still more casualties this is of a
different order from anything that we
have seen in Pakistan
before uh and it represents a great
challenge to the existence of the
State uh I was leaing through Dr
kadri's uh document here and I
immediately found two points of
agreement the first is his observation
very poetically
lamentably uh put that whilst in 1947
the Muslims in the subcontinent were a
nation looking for a state now Pakistan
is a state looking for a nation I can
think of no more succinct way of uh
putting the current existential crisis
in Pakistan uh than that and the
second uh of his observations in this
document with which which I Concur and
have always concurred is that Pakistan
is in need of revolutionary change the
status quo of Tweedle D and Tweedle Dum
exchanging uh seats criminalizing the
previous occupants and so on cannot
persist it cannot go on uh claiming to
govern Andrew said correctly uh there's
a uh need to tell the Pakistani
government when they're wrong but in
fact the RIT of the
government uh in a normal sense uh does
not actually run in many parts of
Pakistan and the kind of horrific
violence that you just showed us which I
hadn't seen before Lord Nair had had
been watching it he says every every day
so it didn't come perhaps as the shock
to him now that it does to me but to see
Senior
officers actually identifiable on the
screen firing their guns through the
window of Dr kadri's home to see women
uh slain In Cold Blood uh is really very
difficult to take and as you said sister
that this is that was only one of the
massacr uh who knows now what will occur
in the wake of today's events so
Pakistan needs uh revolutionary change
one thing I'm sure
of is that the current government of
Pakistan is no longer in control of
events and it should step down it should
step down and new elections should be
organized uh
supervised or monitored if that's easier
to take in terms of sovereignty
issues uh at least by the OIC at least
by uh credible uh observers because of
one thing I'm sure noas Sharif is only
the Prime Minister because of a rigged
election moreover every election in
Pakistan has been
rigged and no one has any Faith or
confidence in the State uh in organizing
free and fair
elections the Temptation will be in the
wake of
today uh for the military to intervene
and take
power uh indeed that question has been
raised over the summer many times in
regard to the sittings and the huge
manifestations of millions of people I
oppose that I have lived through uh as
you have military government in Pakistan
and Military government is no better
than the government of the uh political
parties in some respects it has been
worse uh so we have to say go Naas go
it's time for naal Sharif to step down
he's no longer in meaningful control of
events and in so far as as he is that's
the result that we just uh watched there
but it will not be enough just to
exchange twe d uh with TW D so the
10-point revolution which I'll study uh
may very well be I might have more
points in fact I can see immediately
that I do uh have more points but uh
however many points there are
revolutionary change in Pakistan is
vital I hope you forgive me uh my Lord
uh as someone who I've uh traveled with
and worked with uh for many years over
these issues if I add one point which I
think cannot be separated from today's
events and I apologize in advance to
Andrew if it means that we part company
uh I believe that what happened today
and indeed the the crisis throughout the
Muslim world that was adamated uh by
Sharif Hussein
uh is intimately
connected with a flawed Western policy
towards the Muslim world for many many
decades uh and it may be that I'm alone
in this point the Frankenstein monster
which was created in the
1980s viav Afghanistan by America the
United States Saudi Arabia and uh Sadat
uh at the time in Egypt
this monster is now completely out of
control throughout the entire Muslim
world the principle if it can be called
that that my enemy's enemy is my friend
is not just an entirely immoral
principle it is utterly flawed and
brings about the absolute opposite of
the effect that you claim in the
beginning that it will sometimes your
enemy's enemy is worse than your enemy
and
the billions of dollars and the tons
hundreds thousands of tons of weapons
that were flooded into Afghanistan
through Pakistan in the 1980s the
deliberate fostering of this takfiri
ideology that uh that you can in the
name of religion cut any throat eat any
heart murder any school child in the
name of your particular narrow
interpretation of your religion and the
encouragement of that TF ideology is
indeed as Sharif said uh
now shedding blood in rivers oceans
everyone from Syria to uh to Sy uh and
now to
nwfp uh
and we simply
can't view these events as the news
people do certainly the British news
people and Western news people do uh in
a prism of hours days months this is a
problem that for many decades has been
deepening Saudi Arabia is at the heart
of it this takfiri fanaticism is being
funded by and ideologically buttressed
by one of the UNF freest most wicked
regimes on the Earth Earth namely the
Royal dictatorship in Saudi Arabia and
as long as we maintain the closest
possible relations with that regime
giving them weapons training selling
them weapons taking their petol dollars
uh uh in in as large a mountain as we
can as long as we keep treating uh with
this regime which is involved has its
roots and fingers in every one of these
PES then we will uh never solve this
problem my last point my Lord I agree uh
with the uh point that was made that
terrorism has to be confronted of course
it does but not only
militarily uh because it cannot be
defeated only militarily indeed if you
only confronted
militarily all the evidence that we have
over the last decades is that you will
spread it and deepen it and make it a
bigger and bigger problem so we need to
confront it militarily that's
inescapable no doubt uh but we also need
to confront the collapse of the state
the collapse of the nation of Pakistan
uh and resolve that problem if we're
going to dry up the swamp in which this
extremism is breeding I appreciate that
there's not time to truly developed this
uh argument and I thank you for your
forbearance in the minutes that you have
given me but I'm here not because I'm in
this movement I'm not uh but because I'm
Gravely concerned more than I have ever
been in I've been through some dark days
with Pakistan more than I have ever been
the very
existence of the country that we love
called Pakistan wasam thank
and